July 2016

Topical Discussions, July 30th, 2016

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Among the topics discussed were a general discussion of our functions at Christogenea, along with:

Perspectives and some self-criticisms of our Biblical exegesis,

Universalism by the Back Door (Finally posted October 4th, 2016)

Christian Love, and Christian Judgement

I will post links to the notes here sometime this week, as they are spread out in different sources or not quite ready to post.

The Prophecy of Zechariah – Part 7: A Christian Identity Prophet

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The Prophecy of Zechariah – Part 7: A Christian Identity Prophet

Presenting Zechariah chapter 9, we concluded that the oracles in the opening verses of the chapter were actually a promise of rest for the captivity of “all the tribes of Israel” who would repent and look to their God, something which is fulfilled in Christ as Paul had asserted in Hebrews chapter 4 that “There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.” We made this conclusion with the understanding that the message of the prophet is found in the meanings of the words, Hadrach, Damascus and Hamath, and not in the cities themselves. As the prophet wrote, Hamath and Hadrach had already been destroyed by the Babylonians, so the names must stand as allegories.

Following that, we saw oracles prophesying the demise of the once-great maritime cities of Palestine, namely the Tyrians and the chief cities of the Philistines. After these the Word of Yahweh said in verse 8 “And I will encamp about mine house because of the army, because of him that passeth by, and because of him that returneth: and no oppressor shall pass through them any more: for now have I seen with mine eyes.” On the surface, this appears to be talking about Jerusalem, which is the near vision, or immediate interpretation of the prophecy. However it is evident that the old city was indeed filled with oppressors by the time of the ministry of Christ, and for that reason it was destroyed in 70 AD. Rather, it is evident that it is describing Israel in captivity, that as the prophet had written in Zechariah chapter 2, Yahweh would be a “wall of fire” around His people Israel. In Christ, the camp of the saints is ultimately protected from the armies of bastards. Once again we see God Himself promise to be the fortress of His people, which is the meaning of the word Hamath in verse 2 of this same chapter....

Beginnings and Ends, Part 3. William Finck on the Weekend Report with Don Fox

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This is the third of four podcasts which William Finck pre-recorded for the Weekend Report with Donald Fox. See Don's website at donaldfox.wordpress.com.

This was originally recorded June 19th, 2016.

The Prophecy of Zechariah – Part 6: Burdens and Bastards

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The opening notes for tonight’s program are found below, as an appendix to the notes for this presentation. They are also posted at the Christogenea Forum in a thread titled What is a Bastard?

The Prophecy of Zechariah – Part 6: Burdens and Bastards

Discussing the previous 8 chapters of this prophecy of Zechariah, we hope to have established that they are actually a series of rather profound but complex prophetic visions which have two purposes. First, in the interpretation which we call the near vision, they are a prophecy of the immediate circumstances of the building of the temple and the founding of the 70-weeks kingdom. But more importantly, in the interpretation which we call the far vision, they are prophetic of the ministry of the Christ and the building of the Body of Christ which is the true temple of Yahweh. As we also hope to have seen, this true temple was to be built in the captivity of the woman in judgment, in the gathering of scattered Israel through Yahshua Christ in order to reconcile them to Yahweh their God. The purpose of the second temple and the 70-weeks Kingdom was to produce and herald the Messiah, and the overall purpose of Zechariah’s prophecy was to foretell some of the events. Circumstances and the purpose of His coming.

These prophecies of the scattering and subsequent gathering of Israel and the reconciliation of the children of God through Christ culminated in the last passage of Zechariah chapter 8. There we see a clear prophecy of the spread of the Gospel of Christ where it says “23 Thus saith the LORD of hosts; In those days it shall come to pass, that ten men shall take hold out of all languages of the nations, even shall take hold of the skirt of him that is a [Judahite], saying, We will go with you: for we have heard that God is with you.” We have asserted that the ten men must be representative of the scattered so-called “ten lost tribes”, and he who is a Judaean (not a Jew, but a Judahite) must be a reference to the apostles of Christ.

Beginnings and Ends, Part 2. William Finck on the Weekend Report with Don Fox

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This is the second of four podcasts which William Finck pre-recorded for the Weekend Report with Donald Fox. See Don's website at donaldfox.wordpress.com.

This was originally recorded June 12th, 2016.

The Prophecy of Zechariah – Part 5: Scattering and Gathering

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The Prophecy of Zechariah – Part 5: Scattering and Gathering

In the last segment of this presentation of the prophecy of Zechariah, we left off part way through chapter 8. The theme of that segment, which began with Zechariah chapter 7, we identified as Sin and Punishment. We are calling this segment Scattering and Gathering. In the Biblical context, the two concepts cannot be separated from one another. A major underlying theme of all the Biblical prophets, which is often expressed in very explicit terms, is the scattering of Israel in punishment for their sin, and the gathering of Israel in mercy and reconciliation. Yahweh did not scatter Israel without a purpose, and He promised to gather Israel explicitly and exclusively. By the time of the prophet Zechariah, the scattering of Israel was an accomplished fact. But even before the scattering was accomplished, through the more ancient prophets Yahweh had set forth these exclusive plans by which He would both reconcile Himself to Israel, and gather them together once again (at least allegorically), while at the same time the promises to the patriarchs in relation to the destiny of their seed would be fulfilled. This plan is illustrated in prophecy as early as the books of Moses, so it was a part of Yahweh’s Law and it is His Divine Will for Israel from the very beginning. This is the entire purpose of God set forth in Scripture, and there is no other purpose for the coming of Christ outside of this purpose.

For this precise reason, Paul of Tarsus had written in Romans chapter 8, where he was speaking to some of the descendants of those same scattered Israelites: “28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose. 29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.” Those brethren are the children of Israel, as Paul had explained in chapter 2 of his epistle to the Hebrews, “16 For verily he took not on him the nature of angels; but he took on him the seed of Abraham. 17 Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people.”

Beginnings and Ends, Part 1. William Finck on the Weekend Report with Don Fox

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This is the first of four podcasts which William Finck pre-recorded for the Weekend Report with Donald Fox. See Don's website at donaldfox.wordpress.com. This was originally recorded June 5th, 2016.

Sorry, no transcripts or notes for these discussions are available. Everything said here is certainly documented somewhere else at Christogenea.

The Prophecy of Zechariah – Part 4: Sin and Punishment

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The Prophecy of Zechariah – Part 4: Sin and Punishment

We have already presented six chapters of this book of the prophecy of Zechariah, and we hope to have fully established that Zechariah was a Christian prophet in many scriptural aspects. First, he prophesied the rebuilding of the temple in Jerusalem as a type for the rebuilding of the house of God in His people Israel, which is the ultimate purpose of the 70-weeks Kingdom in Judaea. Then, his prophecy uses the first high priest of that rebuilt temple, Jeshua, or Joshua, as a type for Yahshua Christ, the coming Messiah who would be the ultimate high priest of His people. Furthermore, he used Zerubbabel, the first governor of Jerusalem as it was going to be rebuilt, as a type for Christ as Governor over His people. The seven-branched candlestick of Zechariah’s vision was a prophecy foreshadowing the messages to the seven Christian assemblies of the Revelation, and the vision of the two witnesses, or olive trees, which feed their oil to those candlesticks informs us that those assemblies consist of the people of the houses of Israel and Judah. The very purpose of the 70-weeks Kingdom was to achieve the reconciliation of Yahweh God with Israel, and all of these circumstances in its founding were employed by the prophet as allegories representing that purpose, which was ultimately fulfilled in Christ.

An underlying theme of these first few chapters is found in the references to the tribes of Israel. In chapter 1 there is a reference to “the horns which have scattered Judah, Israel, and Jerusalem.” In chapter 2 there is a plea to scattered Israel, where it says “Deliver thyself, O Zion, that dwellest with the daughter of Babylon”, and in this case Babylon is symbolic for the captivity of all Israel. That plea is followed by a promise: “10 Sing and rejoice, O daughter of Zion: for, lo, I come, and I will dwell in the midst of thee, saith the LORD. 11 And many nations shall be joined to the LORD in that day, and shall be my people: and I will dwell in the midst of thee, and thou shalt know that the LORD of hosts hath sent me unto thee. 12 And the LORD shall inherit Judah his portion in the holy land, and shall choose Jerusalem again.” This was fulfilled in Yahshua Christ, who told His opponents that “I am He”. The proof is found in the fact that scattered Israel turned to Christ, proving that “thou shalt know that the LORD of hosts hath sent me unto thee.” From similar visions in the words of other prophets we have explained that this too is a prophecy of Christ and the deliverance of His people Israel from captivity: that the many nations joined to Yahweh are the nations which the children of Israel were prophesied to become in the course of their captivity, and that they were joined to Yahweh in Christ when the nations of Europe, the descendants of the ancient Israelites, ultimately accepted Christianity.

There is no Pulse

Americans are mourning their Sodomites, but they should be lamenting their children!

How far deceased is the Body of Christ! If the body is, or perhaps, was, Christendom, then the latest apparent false flag event at a nightclub in Orlando is certainly ominous. One can plant a finger on its throat, and there is no Pulse.

Of course, we are not saying that nothing happened at the Pulse nightclub. However whatever did happen certainly did not happen in accordance with the way that it has been portrayed. We did a little investigating ourselves, of some of the online real estate records for the building. It is hard to imagine the reported 300 patrons crammed into a bar with perhaps 4,500 square feet of usable space, and a man able to walk a Colt AR-15 and multiple large clips into such a small and crowded club, which had only 10 or 12 parking spaces of its own, completely unnoticed in the midst of a hot summer’s night in southern Florida.

Oh, CNN reported that “The club is a vast, open space that was hosting more than 300 patrons” and “People inside the cavernous nightclub described a scene of panic....” But are they really describing the building which appears in the Orlando real estate records? Or are they reading from some concocted script? The building’s 4,500 usable square feet on two stories can hardly be described as “cavernous”.

We were subjected to interviews on the streets outside of the club, presumably taped in the dark of the night and only hours after the alleged shooting began. Here, “survivors” described a horrific event and gave detailed accounts of their own escape. But the accounts of the escapees crawling on the floor through dead and dying bodies were not accompanied with the appropriately expected images: there was no blood on any of these alleged survivors. When people have been shot all around you, we would expect to see you splattered with blood. When you crawl on the floor around bodies that have just been ripped apart by flesh-shredding 5.56 millimeter rounds, your clothing should not escape the stains from the expected puddles of blood. But there was no blood, perhaps because there was no Pulse.

Identity Theft, with Arthur Lee of IdentityStruggle.org

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Arthur Lee of IdentityStruggle.org presents his recent essay, Identity Theft.

William Finck's introductory remarks:

Unlike the so-called denominational Christians and the many doctrines and rituals that they imagine to have written in stone, Identity Christians should be forever learning, continually seeking to edify the true body of Christ, and continually growing in both Spirit and numbers for those very reasons. We pray that we may remain on that same course until we witness the great Day of Yahweh that so many of us so eagerly await. For that same reason, we love to see new brethren putting their hand to the proverbial plow, and helping us and our friends spread the truth of our Christian God.

Whenever we encounter such a brother, we are pleased to introduce him and his labors to our own Christian Identity fellows, so that they also may get to know him and benefit from his message. That is what we are doing here tonight, with Arthur Lee of IdentityStruggle.org. His website is rather new, and his articles are not yet numerous. But he has an approach which is both fresh and encouraging, and, I am certain, many of our listeners will also be edified by his work. Arthur's writing benefits from his former experience as a pastor in denominational Christianity, since for that reason his methods better address many of the questions that denominational Christians have when they first hear our message. Therefore he knows where they are going, what issues they will raise, and how to answer them – whether they end up accepting him or not.

So here Arthur Lee is going to present an essay he wrote very recently, called Identity Theft, and we pray that will serve well to introduce him to our listeners. Bear in mind that Arthur's writing is primarily aimed at coaxing denominational Christians into coming to Christian Identity truth.

Reflections on the Whorlando Homocaust, with Pastor Mark Downey

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Reflections on the alleged Whorlando Homocaust [the supposed recent mass shooting of sodomites in Orlando] and the state of Christendom today, with Pastor Mark Downey. Finck's comments were based on his more recent article, There is no Pulse. Mark read from his recent sermon, Whorlando Changes Nothing