November 2025 Open Forum Discussion

William Finck
CHR20251128-Open Forum.mp3

What follows is a brief list of some of the topics discussed in the Forum:

  • An experience for an Identity Christian marrying into a Catholic family.

  • Necromancy, Saul and Samuel, was it really Samuel?

  • Artaxerxes, Cambyses and Cyrus and the use or appearance of these names in Ezra and Nehemiah.

  • Los Lunas Inscription – Is it real?

  • Born again and the Catholic Vulgate.

  • Marcion and Ebionites rejecting portions of Scripture.

  • Kings mentioned in Daniel and chapters apparently out of order.

  • Necromancy – the dynamic is different after Christ than it had been before Christ.

  • Jephtha’s daughter dedicated to tabernacle in wilderness, not slain.

  • Missing data in books of Kings and Chronicles?

  • Strabo and White Syrians, Neo-pagan attitudes towards the Classics.

  • Strabo, Idumaeans and Nabataeans.

  • Dan, Danaans, Cyrus Gordon, Jewish attitudes towards archaeological truths.

  • Jewish media dehumanization of Christians, just as they dehumanized Nazis.

  • Schindler’s List is a fictional work.

  • Orthodox Jews and welfare fraud.

  • White altruism coupled with Jewish gaslighting prevents Whites from seeing Jewish evil.

  • Chemtrails were patented to inhibit “global warming” by Hughes Aircraft Co. in 1990.

  • Christianity, Goths and Alans.

  • Are Jews behind the rise in “antisemitism” in ways that are not obvious?

  • Christianity and the Crusades as a weak and late response to Islamic conquest.

  • Diminishing beef supply in United States

  • Treaty of Arbroath, Remonstrance of the Irish Kings, Milesians from Phoenicia

  • Arabs in Siciliy and Italy early 9th century, but in Greece too?

  • Descriptions of yellow-haired Greeks, Phoenicians in Classical and Hellenistic literature.

  • If Jesus was a Jew, Jews would worship Jesus…

And more!

Challenging Orthodoxy: Further Scriptural Witnesses Against the Trinity Doctrine

William Finck
CHR20251121-AgainstOrthodoxy02.mp3

Challenging Orthodoxy: Further Scriptural Witnesses Against the Trinity Doctrine

Ever since I began the commentary on the Gospel of John back in 2018, which was an endeavor that took me nearly two full years to complete, I have wanted to do certain topical programs which condensed particular subjects that are prominent in the Gospel of John into single topical presentations. In my estimation, the Gospel of John was the last one written, and was purposely written in a way which sets it apart from the synoptic Gospels. The apostle John illustrated teachings both about Christ and from Christ which the synoptic Gospels only represent superficially, or had excluded entirely. So I view John as a retrospective account of the Gospel, as John seems to have read the others, and chose to fill in many of the gaps from the substance and ministry of Christ which were left unrecorded in the synoptic gospels. One of those subjects is the nature of Christ Himself, so that John provides much of the evidence against the later so-called trinity doctrine of the Roman Catholic Church. But for some time I procrastinated, having been busy with other projects, so it has been seven years, at least, since I first realized a need to do this, and when I finally began to prepare for this discussion, I honestly thought it would only be a single presentation. However doing that first presentation, I had to stop at about eleven thousand words, because I ran out of writing time, and that left several thousand words of notes for Scriptures that were left without mention. Therefore, here we are with a second discussion challenging the trinity doctrine, and I shall try not to repeat much of what I had said in the first discussion.

But when I finally resolved to discuss this subject of the so-called trinity here three weeks ago, it had been precipitated by a certain presumed friend who has continually accosted me, attempting to correct me for what he perceives to be my shortcomings. While we have been acquainted in social media for many years, he even joined the Christogenea Chat back in August, just to argue with me about his trinity doctrine, which he holds precious, and now he has once again badgered me in social media. But he also continually and rather consistently misrepresents me and my positions on the issue, probably because he has not actually read my papers. However, certain people seem to have a difficult time reading and grasping things which they find disagreeable, and now after several long back-and-forth discussions with this individual, I am convinced that he is one of them. He claims to admire my work, but he really only admires it to the point where he agrees, and then he thinks he has some divine commission to demand that I change where he does not agree. While I continue to disagree, in essence, his attitude is that he knows everything, and he can correct me because I don’t know what I am talking about. It is actually arrogant for such a man to keep confronting me when I refuse his correction.

A Commentary on Isaiah, Part 50: A Place of Their Own

William Finck
Isaiah 49:17-26
CHR20251114-Isaiah50.mp3

A Commentary on Isaiah, Part 50: A Place of Their Own

In the first portion of Isaiah chapter 49 we discussed The Light of the Nations in relation to both the Gospel of Christ, and those for whom the Gospel had been intended, who are the children of Israel and Judah who were in captivity in the islands and coastlands of the West. It is they who were explicitly addressed in the opening verses of the chapter. Then in the course of that discussion, we also hope to have demonstrated the fact that Paul of Tarsus had received a notable commission from Christ Himself to bring the Gospel to those nations, who were the greater number of the scattered children of Israel, not only from the Assyrian captivity, but from as early as the captivity of Egypt, and all of the people who had left by sea to settle abroad during the intervening periods of the Judges and the kingdoms of Israel and Judah. 

In the 8th century BC, western Europe as well as the rivers and seas to the north, were an object of exploration for both Greeks and Phoenicians, but the Phoenicians had already dominated the western Mediterranean, so the Greeks were constrained from that area and from safely reaching the Ocean. The Romans were not yet sailors, as the Roman historian Titus Livius explained in his History of Rome, that they learned ship-building and sailing rather late, in the 3rd century BC, so that they could fight a war against the Carthaginians. So in the later portion of the 7th century BC the Greeks founded a colony at Cyrene, on the coast of Egypt near the Nile Delta, and then at Marseilles, on the Mediterranean coast of France. At Marseilles, there is evidence of an earlier Phoenician presence. In that same century, Greeks had also founded colonies on the coast of the Black Sea both in the Crimea and at the mouth of the Danube River.

Documenting Jewish Cooperation with Muslims During the Islamic Conquests of Europe and the Near and Middle East

This article offers an excerpt from the book: The Jews of the Ottoman Empire and the Turkish Republic by Stanford J. Shaw. This book was published by New York University Press in 1991, and it is now evidently out of print. It must be noted, that Wikipedia acknowledges that Shaw himself has Jewish heritage, although he was born and raised in St. Paul Minnesota.

A Commentary on Isaiah, Part 49: The Light of the Nations

William Finck
Isaiah 49:1-16
CHR20251107-Isaiah49.mp3

A Commentary on Isaiah, Part 49: The Light of the Nations

Discussing the last six chapters of Isaiah, from the middle of chapter 43, Babylon and its fall to the Persians, as well as the related issue of the Persian policy which had paved the way for the rebuilding of Jerusalem, is the significant theme throughout all of them. The fall of ancient Babylon is certainly the central event in the near-vision fulfillment of this prophecy since Cyrus, the then-future king of Persia, was explicitly named and his role in its fall was described. But as we have also explained, those events did not fulfill all of the descriptions found concerning the fall of Babylon in these prophecies of Isaiah. Therefore, as we had further explained, it is evident that these prophesies of Isaiah have a greater purpose than the end of the relatively short-lived Neo-Babylonian empire, and for that, much of the language concerning Babylon here is repeated in reference to the fall of the entity which is called Mystery Babylon in the Revelation of Yahshua Christ.

So in that manner, Babylon becomes more than the name of the ancient city, as it is often used as an allegory representing the captivity of Israel as well as the series of world empires which would rule over the children of Israel in their time of punishment, a time which would last for many centuries. For that reason, at a time when the children of Judah were in captivity in Babylon, Nebuchadnezzar the king of Babylon had a dream where he had seen a fearsome vision of a beast made of four different metals. So the prophet Daniel had described and interpreted that vision for Nebuchadnezzar, where we read in part, from Daniel chapter 2:

36 This is the dream; and we will tell the interpretation thereof before the king. 37 Thou, O king, art a king of kings: for the God of heaven hath given thee a kingdom, power, and strength, and glory. 38 And wheresoever the children of men dwell, the beasts of the field and the fowls of the heaven hath he given into thine hand, and hath made thee ruler over them all. Thou art this head of gold. 39 And after thee shall arise another kingdom inferior to thee, and another third kingdom of brass, which shall bear rule over all the earth. 40 And the fourth kingdom shall be strong as iron: forasmuch as iron breaketh in pieces and subdueth all things: and as iron that breaketh all these, shall it break in pieces and bruise.

Challenging Orthodoxy: Scriptural Witnesses Against the Trinity Doctrine

William Finck
CHR20251031-AgainstOrthodoxy01.mp3

Challenging Orthodoxy: Scriptural Witnesses Against the Trinity Doctrine

Before I begin, I must repeat something I have stated very frequently over the past few decades, which is that no part of Scripture is a lie. One verse of Scripture does not disprove another verse. If there is a perceived conflict, sometimes it is a corrupt text, which, on occasion, can be rectified by examining ancient manuscripts. Sometimes it is merely a poor translation which is more easily corrected upon examining the original languages. Sometimes it is a poor understanding of the context in which . But much more frequently than any of these, is a poor understanding on the part of the reader, and a lack of knowledge which is rectified only through further study. Therefore all of the “gotcha” verses which a scoffer may pull out of his pocket to refute our claims here this evening, do not prove what the scoffers think they prove.

Yes, Christ, the man, often prayed to God the Father, and often spoke of God the Father, from the perspective of a man. But that which He had done, He did as an example to men. When He washed the feet of His disciples, He said, as it is recorded in John chapter 13: “15 For I have given you an example, that ye should do as I have done to you.” Then, in 1 Peter chapter 1 we read: “21 For even hereunto were ye called: because Christ also suffered for us, leaving us an example, that ye should follow his steps: 22 Who did no sin, neither was guile found in his mouth: 23 Who, when he was reviled, reviled not again; when he suffered, he threatened not; but committed himself to him that judgeth righteously”, so that likewise, we would strive to live as He had lived, without sin and committing ourselves to His judgment. For that reason, to serve as an example for men, during His earthly ministry He behaved just as a man should behave, and not as God. After His resurrection, he was recognized as God. Yahshua Christ did not become a god, but rather, He is God who became a man, and His Resurrection proved that He is God. When the apostle Thomas had realized that it was Christ who was resurrected from the dead, he responded by declaring “My Lord and my God!” The prophet Isaiah was read in the synagogues, Christ Himself read from Isaiah and declared one Messianic prophecy to have been fulfilled in Himself, so men knew the other prophecies concerning their promised Redeemer, and they understood that those prophecies were fulfilled in Christ.

A Commentary on Isaiah, Part 48: The Furnace of Affliction

William Finck
Isaiah 48:1-22
CHR20251024-Isaiah48.mp3

A Commentary on Isaiah, Part 48: The Furnace of Affliction

Discussing the Visions of Babylon in our last presentation in Isaiah we had made several assertions concerning the interpretation of prophecy. The Bible offers us very little direct instruction in this area, outside of the examples which are found in the interpretations of the prophets in the words of Christ and the writings of His apostles. Therefore, I can only offer my own opinion, and attempt to explain my own methods. But as I have also tried to warn, attempts to determine the course of future events from prophecies of events which may or may not have already been fulfilled in the past is in itself a form of idolatry, especially if they are used to develop concrete expectations, which, in turn, may even become points of doctrine. That is because men having such expectations may plan and build their lives around them, and if the expected events do not come to pass, or at least, if they do not happen as expected, then those men have labored in vain. We should not want to cause any of our brethren to labor in vain, even if vanity is ultimately inevitable, to one degree or another and in one aspect of life or another.

However the truth of the assertion that there are prophecies in scripture which have more than one fulfillment is indeed demonstrable in may ways even if, lacking a full knowledge of history, we may not be able to determine every one of the precise details by which certain prophecies have already been fulfilled. So while there are always some things to which we may remain blind, because our knowledge of the remote past is not perfect or complete, there are also other things that we may see clearly with what knowledge which we do have of the past, and know how certain prophecies had been fulfilled.

A Commentary on Isaiah, Part 47: Visions of Babylon

William Finck
Isaiah 47:1-15
CHR20251017-Isaiah47.mp3

A Commentary on Isaiah, Part 47: Visions of Babylon

In our last presentation in Isaiah, we had explained that from the message of comfort for Jerusalem which is found in chapter 40, the overall context in the remaining chapters of Isaiah is a series of prophecies concerning the fate of the children of Israel in captivity, as well as the means of their reconciliation in the promises of a coming Savior and Redeemer of Israel, or, to use a word which Isaiah had not used in that context, the coming Messiah. However a more immediate context here in these chapters of Isaiah, from chapter 44, is the prophecy of Cyrus, the then-future Persian king who conquered Babylon about a hundred and sixty years after Isaiah had written these chapters.

Here Babylon has not been mentioned since Isaiah chapter 43, where the Word of Yahweh had stated that “14 Thus saith the LORD, your redeemer, the Holy One of Israel; For your sake I have sent to Babylon, and have brought down all their nobles, and the Chaldeans, whose cry is in the ships.” There we asserted that those words have more significance as a far-vision prophecy, comparing language concerning shipping and merchants in the prophecy of the fall of Mystery Babylon in Revelation chapter 18. But of course, there is also a near-vision fulfillment, although that could not have been fulfilled until some time in Isaiah’s future, since Babylon was not a threat to the kingdom of Judah in Isaiah’s lifetime. The act of the Babylonians having sent an embassy to Jerusalem to meet with Hezekiah is indicative of Babylonian intentions to break from the Assyrian empire, which is also evident in other historical records, however that did not occur for at least another seventy years.

New Version July 5th! A Handbook Against Heresies for Identity Christians

William Finck

A friend has created a Christian Identity: Handbook Against Heresies which seeks to compile and explain from Scripture a collection of basic Christian concepts which is meant to be a quick witness to help address and combat basic heresies and misunderstandings. This may also serve as a good primer for those wanting an overview of our general Christian Identity professions.
 

The Handbook was updated and a new copy posted July 5th, 2024. We expect this to happen periodically.

Download the PDF handbook here. There is also a clean version formatted for printing without any underlined cross-references and no highlighting. Another version without highlighting removes all background color from the text, but it has underlined cross-references. here you may also download the clean version, the version without highlighting, or now for a combined version which contains both highlighted and clean copies of the text.

Help Support Christogenea

William Finck

These past few years, and the past few months especially, Christogenea has been cut off from most of its sources of funding. CashApp has cancelled us. We are currently searching for another new credit card processor as we have already been cancelled by cornerstone.cc, who has been rejecting payments for the past week. Cornerstone has not given us any explanation although we have requested one. We know the explanation already.  

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Aside from 15 separate websites, a chat and 6 radio streams, Christogenea freely hosts over two dozen unrelated Christian Identity or Christian Nationalist websites, and incurs online expenses of over $1200 each month, not including the funding we need to produce our studies and other content

The Scorpion and the Frog, from Aesop's Fables

William Finck

A scorpion and a frog meet on the bank of a stream and the scorpion asks the frog to carry him across on its back. The frog asks, "How do I know you won't sting me?" The scorpion says, "Because if I do, I will die too."

The frog is satisfied, and they set out, but in midstream, the scorpion stings the frog. The frog feels the onset of paralysis and starts to sink, knowing they both will drown, but has just enough time to gasp "Why?"

Replies the scorpion: "Its my nature..."

Never expect anyone to act contrary to their nature.

Addendum: The Wisdom of Solomon - An English Translation by William Finck

 

A completely new translation by William Finck of Christogenea.org, based on the text of the Rahlfs-Hanhart Septuaginta, but not necessarily following the punctuation of that edition. Download the PDF here. There is also a navigable chapter-by-chapter Greek-English Interlinear Version.

The Wisdom of Solomon is a profound and inspired work of literature, which, with all certainty, should have been included in the canonical Scriptures alongside the other works of Solomon, regardless of the fact that there is no extant Hebrew manuscript. The work is found in early lists of church canon, such as the Muratorian Canon, and it was included alongside the other Biblical books of wisdom in the Old Testament in the 4th century Codices Sinaiticus (א) and Vaticanus (B) and in the 5th century Codex Alexandrinus (A). While there have been contrary claims, for example at the Israeli website deadseascrolls.org, no supporting evidence has been presented, and therefore the work has evidently not been found among the Dead Sea Scrolls. However we must wonder if those examining the Scrolls would even recognize it, since there is no known Hebrew text against which to reference any possible fragments.

Passages from the Wisdom of Solomon were alluded to by Paul of Tarsus, and had obviously been an influence on him in his writings. For example, the “whole armor of God” analogy is very close to a description of the wrath of God found here in Wisdom chapter 5. In Romans chapter 8, Paul had used the term for creation in the same fashion as it was described in Wisdom chapter 19, in verse 6. Yet Wisdom also presages many of the illustrations which Yahshua Christ had employed in various of His parables in the Gospel, especially where Solomon spoke of races of men and their generations as trees and branches.

Of course, while we cannot imagine that Christ was inspired by Wisdom, His use of so many similar allegories in the same contexts certainly elucidates the fact that Solomon was inspired by Him. So in Wisdom we find rebukes of the lawless, the godless concept that “might is right”, the wandering of the impious into the corruption of their seed through miscegenation, and the fact that bad trees cannot produce good fruit, along with an exposition of some of the beginnings of idolatry. Finally, there is an analogy portraying the world of the wicked and of sin as Egypt and Sodom, much like the Revelation also attests, and the reordering of the creation of God in the organization of the children of Israel, which is how the history of the children of Israel had begun, and how Revelation also concludes. The Wisdom of Solomon is indeed a masterpiece of Christian theology, and a philosophical bridge between the Old and New Testaments which no true Christian should be without.

The Latin word GENTILIS in 1927 Junior Classic Dictionaries

William Finck

Here we have several images from the Junior Classic Latin Dictionary. In his later papers, after he had found this definition, Clifton Emahiser cited this lexicon in relation to the meaning of the Latin word gentilis, which is "of the same clan or race", and how that true meaning of the word may affect one's view of Scripture, since with that meaning the truth of the nature of the covenants of God is revealed.

The word gentilis is the Latin word that Jerome had employed to represent the Greek word ἔθνος, or nation, in his Latin Vulgate, and that is the underlying word where the King James Version has gentile or gentiles in the New Testament. Jerome may have used any one of several other more general Latin words which may mean nation, but he purposely selected this more specific term. 
 

The word gentilis never meant "non-Jew" to any Roman!

Christian Identity: What Difference Does it Make?

William Finck
ChrSat20180303-WhatDifference.mp3

Christian Identity: What Difference Does it Make?

It is no mistake that 2000 years ago, Christianity spread and was accepted by tribes of White Europeans as they encountered it. It is no mistake that for the last 1500 years Europe has been predominantly Christian. Christianity had spread not only to both Greece and Rome, but also to Britain and other points in Europe as early as the middle of the first century. Tribes in Gaul were converting to Christianity in the second century. By the third century, if not sooner, Germanic tribes of the Goths and Alans had accepted Christianity. All of this was long before the official acceptance of Christianity began with Constantine the Great, the Edict of Toleration and the Council of Nicaea.

To mock Christianity today is to mock a hundred generations of our ancestors. People who mock Christianity think they know something better about our past than their own ancestors, the people who actually lived in those times many centuries ago. The truth is that the people who mock Christianity know little-to-nothing about the world of the past and the circumstances under which their ancestors ultimately accepted Christianity.

There are many incongruities in the perception of the people who mock Christianity today. On one hand they claim that it is a “cuck” religion, and on the other they complain that their ancestors were forced into Christianity by Christians. So they admit that their own ancestors were weaker than the “cucks” they despise. On one hand they claim that Christianity is an effeminate religion, and a Jewish religion, but then they complain that their ancestors were forced into it by Christians. So they admit that their ancestors were weaker than effeminates and Jews. All the while, they proclaim the “might is right” mantra of their own neo-paganism, while professing that their weak ancestors, forced to subject to Christianity, were somehow treated unfairly! Those who mock Christianity are simply too stupid to realize all of these cognitive disconnects, and there are many more that we won’t get into here. We already presented them here a few years ago, in two podcasts titled White Nationalist Cognitive Dissonance.

Classics Corner

Here we will periodically feature one or more of our older program episodes. Sometimes they will be pertinent to other events at Christogenea.

The alien hordes currently pouring into Europe, and also into America and other White nations, are fulfilling Biblical prophesies made many centuries ago. The proof is in a history which few now know, because Classical literature is irrelevant to modern churchmen, and the Bible is alien to classicists. Interpretations of archaeological discovery are seen through a Jewish worldview, and that worldview is also based on falsehoods. But when we come to love the truth of our God, we can no longer be blinded by the satanic Jews.

 

The Immigration Problem and Biblical Prophecy - 2011-11-05

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No Safe Haven: Stripped Bare and Naked - 2013-08-16

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