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These past several weeks we have prefaced these Special Notice programs by answering some of our critics, and particularly Joseph November, who goes by the alias of Eli James. Unfortunately, some people have once again taken offense to that. But Eli James has been continually criticizing us, meaning both Clifton Emahiser and I, ever since January 2011 when we parted ways with him, and he has not stopped. Last week, presenting part 6 of this series, I cited quotations from a January, 2016 article where Eli was still criticizing us. Well, perhaps he was not really criticizing us. Rather, he makes up things about what we profess, and then he criticizes his own inventions.
Why should we not be able to address this? For the most part, I try to ignore him. I do not care what Eli James believes. But every once in awhile I am compelled to answer and rebuke his treachery, because I see that there are otherwise well-meaning Identity Christians who have fallen under his spell. So I challenge them to see both sides of the issues, and the best way to do that is to exhibit and expose some of the folly behind his claims.
Should Identity Christians not look at both sides of every dispute? Or should they be worshippers of men? If your pastor cannot be criticized, then he is your idol, and you are an idolater. If you cannot examine those whom your pastor is criticizing, then you are no less an idolater. I have been critiquing Eli James' criticisms of me, and I have supplied links to his articles and have made specific quotations from them. Except for a colorful remark or two, I have not attacked his person. Rather, I have only attacked his claims about Scripture and his misrepresentations of our work. If anyone cannot handle that and examine the issues, then they are not worthy of truth.
But Identity Christians should care for truth, and the truth of Scripture should be their paramount concern. Were there really separate 6th and 8th day creations of man? Is the Bible really written in an absolutely chronological order? Did Yahweh God ever take credit for the creation of the non-Adamic races as we now know them? Those are important questions, and the answers to those questions are necessary components to forming a healthy Christian worldview today. We need to answer those questions truthfully if we are to ever conform ourselves to our God and seek to please Him. To teach things which are not true leads to the betrayal of our God and our race. Of course, we would answer all of those questions with negatives, while Eli James would answer them all positively. So we must criticize his works, and as Christians we have no choice but to rebuke him. I will never back down from that duty.
For several years Eli James has been bragging that I never answered his Crumbs paper. After these last few programs, he can never make that boast again, and his Crumbs paper should indeed be entirely discredited, at least in the eyes of those who do care about the truth.
The people who criticize me for criticizing Eli all seem to have an agenda, because they complain of my act of criticism, but they never offer to discuss the issues. These people are politicians, negotiating the Word of God so that they may get along with a greater number of men. Maybe I think too highly of myself, but in my opinion, they are really upset with me because I leave them no space for compromise. My work stands as a testimony against them. They must either hate me, or seek to correct Eli James, but they would rather be lovers of men and not alienate anyone, so they can hate me for alienating them. But by the grace of Yahweh our God, we are impervious to their attacks, “taking the shield of faith, wherewith ye shall be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked.” They can all go to hell. I wish they would stop listening to me altogether, so that I would no longer have to hear their whining and witness their vacillation.
We will continue our comparisons of biblical interpretation and doctrines in subsequent presentations of this series. For now we will present Clifton Emahiser's:
Special Notice To All Who Deny Two Seedline, #7
This is the seventh in a series of Special Notices to all anti-seedliners who are opposed to the proposition that there are a literal walking, talking, breathing, genetic Satanic seedline people among us in this world. To proclaim otherwise is a declaration that we have no enemy, and neutralizes and undermines our defenses against them. To concede such a position is beyond all responsible comprehension, and only those who assume the obligation of pointing out and identifying the enemy are Israel’s true watchmen. To brazenly obstruct the message of the true watchmen’s warnings is the height of treason. The judgment for interfering with the true watchman in his appointed duty is not a very pretty one. But, sad to say, this is what many are doing. Again, I would warn you, we are at WAR. This WAR has been going on now for over 7,000 years. It is a WAR between YHWH and His children and Satan and his children. It is a battle to the death for one or the other.
This is what we are up against. Too many so-called Identity teachers and pastors have taken much of their denominational baggage into Christian Identity, and carry it with them to this day. So in reference to Genesis chapter 3, or the other so-called races of people, or church rituals or sin, mercy and punishment, or any of several other facets of bible and history, they refuse to make any considerations except through the lens of that denominational church doctrine that they still seek to uphold.
The Bible story is a very simple story, and men who do not like it attempt to complicate it in many ways so as to obfuscate its simple meaning. In the beginning there were two trees, or two seedlines, of people, a Tree of Life and a Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil. Because Yahweh chose to keep some things secret from the foundation of the society, and to reveal them in Christ, we do not really learn the nature of the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil until Revelation chapter 12, where we may see that it was a tree grown out of rebellion from God by these so-called “fallen angels”. In the end, after every branch which the Heavenly Father did not plant is rooted up, which are ostensibly all of the goat nations, there is only one tree left, which is the Tree of Life, and it consists only of the sheep nations. Read Genesis chapters 2 and 3 and Revelation chapters 12 and 22 and the entire Scripture fits neatly into this context. Any deviation from this simple paradigm is a corruption of Scripture in order to serve one nefarious agenda or another.
Continuing with Clifton:
In the last Special Notice To All Who Deny Two Seedline #6, we were looking into the writings of Lt. Col. Jack Mohr. As Mohr refuses to identify the enemy, he is actually giving them aid and comfort in a time of WAR, and there is no greater act of sedition against YHWH’s Kingdom. In Special Notice #6, I used two illustrations of how Mohr shot himself in the foot with his thesis Seed of Satan, Literal or Figurative? In his booklet of 27 pages, he misapplied [or actually, misdefined] the word “enmity” in Genesis 3:15 and “beguiled” in 2 Corinthians 11:3. With this Special Notice we will scrutinize more of his suppositions. In analyzing Mohr’s writings on his anti-seedline argument, one can make some interesting observations. I notice that Mohr is working with a limited source of information. It is obvious he has a Strong’s Exhaustive Concordance of The Bible along with some unnamed Bible dictionary. It also appears he is quoting entirely from the King James Version. Equipped with this limited source of data, he desires to dictate to everyone else his own unqualified views which are based on his personal reasoning. From what I can observe so far, if he doesn’t like what he reads in Strong’s he will switch to his unnamed Bible dictionary in order to pick and choose that which best suits “his” likes. It is conspicuously obvious he did this with the meaning of Seth’s name on page 11. If you want to understand what has been cited so far concerning Mohr’s writings, you might want to get a copy of that Special Notice.
Last week, or in the previous Special Notice, #6, Clifton had shown that where he was attempting to interpret Genesis 3:15 as well as 2 Corinthians 11:3, that Jack Mohr had chosen wrong definitions for certain key words. Of course, we cannot tell whether Mohr was being deceitful or just sloppy, but in either case his scholarship was sorely lacking. Continuing with Clifton:
We will now continue where we left off with Special Notice #6.
In order to show you the next place in his article where Mohr shoots himself in the foot, it will be necessary for me to quote a couple of paragraphs from his booklet Seed of Satan, Literal or Figurative, page 11:
“... But Wise [James E. Wise] states again without any Scriptural backing, when Eve stated ‘I have gotten a man from the Lord’, she thought Cain was her firstborn and she thought he was the promised seed, she later acknowledged that Abel, not Cain, was the promised seed. Therefore, if Abel was her promised seed, then Cain would have to be the seed or [progeny] of the serpent. There is absolutely no Scriptural evidence which indicates that Eve thought that Abel was the ‘promised seed.’ Verse 25, which Wise quotes as confirmation of this statement merely says that when Eve had Seth, she said: ‘God has appointed me another seed instead of Abel, whom Cain slew.’ She is merely stating that God gave her a son to replace the one who had been killed. Nothing is said here about ‘promised seed.’ 1 John 3:12 does not ‘plainly denote that Cain was the offspring or progeny of the wicked one.’ The Bible dictionary says the word Cain means ‘acquisition’, which means: ‘the act of having one’s own; to get or gain through one’s efforts.’ Seth means to ‘compensate; a sprout’, it has nothing whatsoever to do with being a substitute as Wise avers. I wonder where this man got his information or if he just dreamed it up, the latter seems the more possible.”
Mohr’s last statement here, concerning the name of Seth, highly suggests his own theological dishonesty. I will show you why. As we know, according to his own words, Mohr has both a Strong’s Exhaustive Concordance of The Bible and an unnamed Bible dictionary. Mohr said this on page 3: “The word ‘serpent’ as used here and throughout this chapter is #5175 in Strong’s Concordance ...” From this statement we can irrevocably conclude beyond all doubt that he has a copy of the Strong’s Exhaustive Concordance of The Bible. The question is: why didn’t he quote from it in this instance? Again, Mohr’s statement is: “Seth means to ‘compensate; a sprout’, it has nothing whatsoever to do with being a substitute as Wise avers.” This is what the Strong’s Exhaustive Concordance of The Bible has to say of the name Seth: “#8352 ... Sheth, shayth; from 7896; put, i.e. substitute; Sheth, third son of Adam: — Seth, Sheth.” If you will notice very carefully, it speaks of the meaning as being “substitute” and mentions absolutely nothing about “compensate” or “sprout.” You can even go to the word #7896 from which #8352 is [derived] and it suggests no such meaning!
Futhermore, Gesenius’ Hebrew-Chaldee Lexicon to the Old Testament agrees with Strong’s on both words. You will find #7896 on page 819 of Gesenius’. I myself have 14 Bible dictionaries/encyclopedias including Zondervan’s (a 5 volume set), Interpreter’s (a 4 volume set) and The Popular Critical Bible Encyclopedia, (a 3 volume set). In addition to the Bible dictionaries/encyclopedias, I have 13 Bible commentaries including the Interpreter’s 12 volume set. In checking through all these references on the name Seth, I only found one which suggested a meaning of “compensate”, and another one which suggested a meaning of “sprout.” These last meanings seems to be an invention of a person by the name of Ewald, see Unger’s, page 999. Outside of these two references, most all of the other dictionaries, encyclopedias and commentaries are generally [in agreement with] the meaning of Seth as “substitute” or “in place of.” I submit, therefore, Lt. Col. Jack Mohr had both of these meanings before him, yet he rejected Strong’s in favor [of] his unnamed Bible dictionary in order to fabricate his point, which he thought nobody would ever notice!!! This is the epitome of blatant, unabashed, brazen treachery and deceitfulness of the most evil kind!!!
Clifton is not overestimating the extent of Mohr's disingenuity here. His examination of Mohr's contentions reveals a pattern of shoddy scholarship aimed at purposely discrediting James Wise while practically ridiculing the Two Seedline position. Continuing with Clifton:
Now for a few references to show that James E. Wise was correct when he made his statement that Seth was a “substitute” or “appointed” in the place of Abel:
The Pictorial Bible Dictionary, Merrill C. Tenny, general editor, page 774: “SETH (seth, Heb. sheth [so KJV in Num. 24:17; 1 Chron. 1:1], ...) ... His name (meaning ‘appointed’, i.e., ‘substitute’) signifies that he was considered a ‘substitute’ for Abel (4:25) His birth recalled man’s tragic loss of divine image (5:1f). He became the founder of the line of faith (4:25; Luke 3:38).”
The Wycliffe Bible Commentary page 11: “The Hebrew word shows marked similarity to the word shat, translated ‘appointed’ or ‘set.’ In reality, Seth became the one on whom God could depend as the foundation stone for His family. He was ‘set’ or ‘appointed’ to take up the work and mission of Abel.”
The Adam Clarke’s Commentary abridged by Ralph Earle: “Eve must have received on this occasion some divine communication, else how could she have known that this son was appointed in the place of Abel, to continue that holy line by which the Messiah was to come?”
Matthew Poole’s Commentary On The Holy Bible, volume 1, page 14: “Instead of Abel; to succeed his father Adam, as Abel should have done in the priesthood, and administration and care of holy things in the church of God.”
Here it seems that Matthew Poole somehow knew that Cain was not eligible for such things, even if Poole did not explain that specifically. How should a second son be charged with priesthood and administration? Clifton continues:
The New World Dictionary Concordance to the New American Bible, page 619: “... The name is explained in popular ethnology which sees it deriving from the verb sith, to replace. Eve stated ‘God has granted me another offspring in place of Abel’.”
Now that it is conspicuously obvious, and we can plainly see this man’s agenda [referring to Jack Mohr], let’s take a look at how ridiculous some of his conclusions are. Everything he is accusing James E. Wise of, he is guilty of himself. Let’s take a look and see what Mohr says about Wise on page 12:
“But let’s analyze Gen. 4:1 very carefully and see what it really says, not what some man [Wise] thinks it says. Read it for yourself, it is very clear. I can find no hint in this chapter, that [Eve] thought Abel was the ‘promised seed.’ How could he [Abel] have been when he was killed. Do you mean that God would have given a ‘promised seed’ to Eve, only to be murdered? It doesn’t make much sense, does it? The promised seed was ‘Seth’, who God gave her to take the place of Abel. It becomes a gross assumption on the part of the author [Wise], when he states: ‘because of this, Cain could only have been the progeny of the serpent.’ When we quote the 1 John 3:12 verse about Cain [being of that] ‘wicked one’, we must see vs. 12 in its context, it cannot be lifted out of its proper setting just to prove a point that someone wants to make....”
Mohr is totally lacking any insight on this one. We have read several references which show that Seth was an appointed seed in Abel’s place, and that this is the very meaning of Seth’s name. If Abel was not a “promised seed”, there would have been no need for his blood to cry from the ground. Why, then, did Abel’s blood cry from the ground? Abel’s blood was crying for revenge! Seth became the revenger of blood for Abel! Yahshua became the ultimate revenger of that blood, and will, in time, destroy all the descendants of Cain. This whole WAR is a blood-feud. The revenger of blood is spoken of in Numbers 35:19: “The revenger of blood himself shall slay the murderer: when he meeteth him, he shall slay him.” It appears that Lt. Col. Jack Mohr has shot himself in the foot on this one also!
We must add, that this is why Yahshua Christ had said that “the blood of Abel unto the blood of Zacharias... shall be required from this race”, speaking to the race of the Edomite Jews. Returning to Clifton:
If one continues to shoot one’s self in the foot long enough, one will find [that] one doesn’t have a leg to stand on. This is exactly what Lt. Col. Jack Mohr seems persistent in doing, as he shoots himself in the foot again on page 20. As he attempts to show you his great intellect on the subject of race, he goofs again. This is what he said:
“Here again we see Wise [James E. Wise] as he does some more ‘supposing’, when he states that the word GENERATION could be translated RACE. If you check your Strong’s Concordance, you will find the word Generation has five meanings. In the Old Testament we find the Hebrew word (‘daur’ — 1755, which means: ‘an age; a dwelling’; posterity.’) It is used thusly in Gen. 7:1— ‘And the Lord said unto Noah, come thou and all thy house into the ark; for thee have I seen righteous before me in this GENERATION.’ (Nothing here to do with RACE!) We find a second meaning to the word in Dan. 4:3 — where the word is (#1859 ‘dar’ meaning ‘generation.’) In the New Testament, three Greek words are used for GENERATION. In Matt. 1:1— ‘The Book of the GENERATION of Jesus Christ ...’ Here the word is ‘genesis’, (#1078) which means: ‘nativity; figurative, nature; generation’). In Matt. 3:7 we read: ‘O GENERATION of vipers, who hath warned thee to flee from the wrath to come?’ (Here the Greek word is ‘gennema’: — #1081, meaning: ‘offspring; produce; fruit; generation.’) Finally in Matt. 12:41 we read: ‘The men of Nineveh shall rise up in judgment with this GENERATION, and shall condemn it.’ (Here the word is ‘genea’ — #1074, meaning: ‘a generation; an age; nation; time’). This is the only occasion in the entire Bible where the word GENERATION could mean RACE, but we see from the context that this is not what it means here. Once again, Wise has borne ‘false witness’ to what a word means.”
As you will shortly see, the “false witness” is not James E. Wise, but rather Lt. Col. Jack Mohr! Let’s start with the Hebrew word # 1755 [dowr or dore] which Mohr mistakenly interprets. Wilson’s Old Testament Word Studies, page 184 says this concerning this word. (The Hebrew characters [in Wilson's] are exactly the same as shown in Strong’s.): “... an age, a generation of men; a race of men contemporary, Gen. 6:9, or, implying conformity, Prov. xxx. 10-14. So it may be understood in that disputed passage, Isaiah liii. 8, ‘his generation’, the race conformed to the Messiah, equivalent to ‘the seed’, verse 10: Gen. vi. 9, &c., all, many generations, Heb. generation and generation; every generation. Heb. id ... Dan iv. 3, 3, 34, 34.” How would you like to be serving under a jester like Mohr on a battle front, where you and the lives of several thousand others depended on his ludicrous judgment? Continuing now with the Gesenius’ Hebrew-Chaldee Lexicon to the Old Testament on the Hebrew word #1755. Among the other meanings Gesenius’ says this on page 194: “The idea of age, or generation being neglected, it often means a race of men ...”
Let me say that it is my opinion that the Hebrew word dowr, or dore, is the word from which the Latin word durare, which is to last or endure, and the archaic English word dure, which is to sustain or to last, and which is still seen in words such as duration and endure, are all derived. Where the Scripture says in Genesis chapter 6 that “9 These are the generations of Noah: Noah was a just man and perfect in his generations, and Noah walked with God”, the first word generations comes from the Hebrew toledah, which is descent or descendants, and the second word generations is from dowr.
The original Strong's lexicon defines Hebrew # 1755, dowr or dore, as being “from 'duwr' (1752); properly, a revolution of time, i.e. an age or generation; also a dwelling”. In turn, the word at 1752 is “a primitive root; properly, to gyrate (or move in a circle), i.e. to remain” where we may add: as the earth, moon and stars also do, and a related word at 1754 is also derived from that word and means “a circle, ball or pile”. This is an important concept: dowr means race in many passages because it is what remains or endures of the original creation. It means to refer to a generation of a race in the cyclical sense that a race regenerates itself and endures in God's creation. If a race corrupts itself, it no longer properly endures, so Noah was perfect in his generations because he and his family had not corrupted themselves, and for that reason Yahweh preserved them out of all of their contemporaries.
We will not go into every Strong’s number reference that Mohr mentions here. However, it should be obvious, from this last example, that Mohr doesn’t have the slightest idea of what he is talking about concerning the Old Testament. Let’s see what Mohr says about the New Testament, besides that which is quoted above. If you will recall, Mohr is saying the only verse in the Bible that can be rendered “race” is Matthew 12:41, and there he states that it doesn’t mean “race” in that case either. In other words, Mohr is, in effect, saying there is not one case in the entire Bible that refers to race. Now, that is a bold statement. Let’s see if it will hold up under the magnifying glass. In The Complete Word Study Dictionary, New Testament, by Spiros Zodhiates, the Greek word #1078, genesis, is described in part as: “In the passive genesis means race, lineage, equivalent to genea (1074), genealogy, book of genealogy ...” Zodhiates then describes the Greek word #1074, genea in part: “Metaphorically spoken of the people of any generation or age, those living in any one period, a race or class ...” You can see very clearly, then, contrary to what Mohr says, these two words, genesis and genea, do imply race.
On page 22, Lt. Col. Jack Mohr says this: “God had appointed His Israel people to be a ‘special, holy people’ who according to 1 Peter 2:9 were to be: ‘a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar (set aside for a special purpose); that ye (Israel) should show forth the praises of Him who called you out of darkness, into His marvelous light’.”
If Mohr had had an American Standard Version of the Bible, he could have observed that “chosen generation” in this particular verse is rendered “an elect race.” Mohr is way off base when he claims: “This is the only occasion in the entire Bible where the word ‘generation’ could mean ‘race’, but we see from the context that this is not what it means here.” Evidently, Mohr is unaware of how to find the subject of race in the Bible. If we will turn to the word “generation” in W. E. Vine’s An Expository Dictionary Of New Testament Words, it will direct us to go to page 291 for the word “kind.” Here is what it says under this heading: “GENOS ..., akin to ginomai, to become, denotes (a) a family, Acts 4:6. ‘kindred’; 7:13, R.V., ‘race’ (A.V., ‘kindred’); 13:26, ‘stock’; (b) an offspring, Acts 17:28; Rev. 22:16; (c) a nation, a race, Mark 7:26, R.V., ‘race’ (A.V., ‘nation’); Acts 4:36, R.V. ‘(a man of Cyprus) by race’, A.V., ‘of the country of Cyprus’; genos does not mean a country, the word signifies parentage ([Judaeans] had settled in Cyprus from, or even before, the reign of Alexander the Great); 7:19. R.V., ‘race’ (A.V., ‘kindred’); 18:2, 24, R.V., ‘by race’ (A.V., ‘born’); 2 Cor. 11:26, ‘countrymen’; Gal. 1:14, R.V., ‘countrymen’ (A.V., ‘nation’); Phil. 3:5,, ‘stock’; 1 Pet 2:9 R.V., ‘race’ (A.V., ‘generation’); (d) a kind, sort, class, Matt. 13:47, ‘kind’; in some mss. in 17:21, A.V., ‘kind’; Mark 9:29, ‘kind’, 1 Cor. 12:10, 28 ‘kinds’ (A.V. ‘diversities’); 14:10 (ditto) ...” With this kind of a foundation to work from, one should be able to find hundreds of passages on race. Lt. Col. Jack Mohr couldn’t be more mistaken in his assertions on these Hebrew and Greek words. Now, who is really the one doing the “assuming” and being “intellectually dishonest”?
Mohr really shot himself in the foot not recognizing his own hypocrisy in citing 1 Peter 2:9 yet refusing to accept the concept of race. If it only meant a generation, those words in Exodus chapter 19 which Peter cites would only have referred to a single generation, the Israelites who then sinned and were destroyed in the desert. But Peter insists that they describe Christians of his own time, who were descendants of those ancient Israelites, and therefore the term must describe a race, and not merely a generation. Back to Clifton:
We should take note that Jeffrey A. Weakley highly recommends Jack Mohr for his expertise concerning the so-called fallacy of the subject of the Seedline doctrine. This is what he said in his The Satanic Seedline, Its Doctrine and History on page 29: “There are other arguments, but the ones addressed here are the major ones that I have encountered. If you have encountered an argument and you are sincerely seeking an answer, I suggest that first you completely study it out in God’s Word (look up definitions, check parallel passages, be sure of context, etc.). After that, I suggest you contact men such as Pete Peters, Dan Gentry, Earl Jones, Jack Mohr, etc. ...” I guess the old saying is still true: birds of a feather really do flock together!
Every one of these men may be held dear to certain Identity Christians, and they all helped at least some of us along on the path to truth. But every one of these men also had denominational Christian baggage which they had failed to shed, and we must therefore learn from their mistakes: that we all must seek to continue learning, and we all must understand that there is more for every one of us to learn. Rather than being arrogant to think that we know it all, as I myself have seen Pete Peters and Ted Weiland and other such men think, we must forever be studying and testing and willing to honestly discuss our beliefs. Clifton continues under the subtitle:
CONFUSION CONCERNING TREES
On page 6 of Mohr’s Seed of Satan, Literal or Figurative? he continues to lambaste James E. Wise. As we will see, Mohr’s criticism of what Wise was saying is totally unwarranted. This is what Mohr says in his [imagined] conjecture:
“Wise then goes on to make some very positive statements. which I do not believe he can back with Scripture. At least he doesn’t do it here. He says: ‘Therefore (because of the explanation he has given), that which is spoken of or called the ‘tree of the knowledge of good and evil’, was the devil. In other places he is called the devil, Belial, etc.’ But there is no Scripture which will back up his contention, no matter how much you want to believe there is. The Idea that Satan or the devil was the seducer of Eve in the garden, may fit in with your theological concept, but it’s not what the Word says.
It would be our contention that the “Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil” is a collective reference to the angels that sinned, who left their first estate, the fallen angels described as having been cast out into the earth in Revelation chapter 12, and in that chapter the chief of those fallen angels, “the great dragon” is identified with “that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan”. So we would assert that these epithets all describe the same collective entity, and are also related to the “seed of the serpent” of Genesis 3:15. All of the accursed races of Scripture intermingled with these, and still exist today. Continuing with Clifton, where he is quoting Jack Mohr's undue criticism of James E. Wise:
“The author then mentions other trees in the garden when he says: ‘In Gen. 2:9, God first mentions the stationary trees, pecan, peach, apricot, etc.’ For the life of me, I can’t find any of these trees listed anywhere in the Bible. The apple tree is listed, but no pecan, apricot or peach. If he’s imagining these trees in the Garden, maybe [he’s] imagining when he says Satan was there too. If a man will add words which aren’t there, in order to ‘sell his point’, he’s not to be trusted in his explanation. This man is ‘intellectually dishonest’, and willing to twist Scripture to make it say what he wants it to.
“He then goes on to the ‘tree of life.’ He indicates that these ‘trees’ were personalities of some kind or other, although the Bible says they were trees in the original language that is what they were. No chance to make them anything other than trees.”
There you have it, Mohr just called our Messiah a wooden tree. Who else but our Savior is the “TREE OF LIFE”? How else do we eat of Him but by taking Communion? How much more blasphemous a remark can there be made than this?
I think Clifton May have displayed a little denominationalism here. It is my opinion that we eat of the Tree of Life by loving our brethren, clinging to our own race, succoring and receiving succor from our own people, the race of Adam. That is true communion. However from a “church” perspective, Clifton may nevertheless be considered to have been correct, once we understand what is true communion. Back to Clifton:
Mohr is totally inaccurate when he claims the pecan, peach and apricot trees are not mentioned in Scripture. He just didn’t look for it. These trees are included in Genesis 1:29 when it says: “And YHWH said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.” Mohr is making an insinuation that this couldn’t include a pecan, peach or apricot tree which have seeds. Mohr is not only blasphemous but totally unskilled in YHWH’s Word. Yet, inasmuch as all the trees “bearing seed” were permitted by YHWH to be eaten as food in Genesis 1:29, the trees of Genesis 3 couldn’t have been fruit trees. Why would YHWH allow the fruit of the trees of Genesis 1:29 to be eaten, and then turn around and go back on own His own Word and make it unlawful to eat of one of them in Genesis 3? Talk about something that “don’t make any sense”, as Jack Mohr has said himself several times in this booklet. There simply is no better argument, that the trees of Genesis 3 were not wooden trees, than this passage. As Lt. Col. Jack Mohr said himself: “God is not the author of confusion.”
I wonder how Lt. Col. Jack Mohr might interpret Mark 8:22-24 which says: “22 And he cometh to Bethsaida; and they bring a blind man unto him, and besought him to touch him. 23 And he took the blind man by the hand, and led him out of the town; and when he had spit on his eyes, and put his hands upon him, he asked him if he saw aught. 24 And he looked up, and said, I see men as trees walking.”
I really do think Clifton is right about this, that some sayings of Scripture were designed simply to open our minds to certain concepts, and that this passage is indeed one of them. He continues:
Oddly enough, the word tree in this passage also means a solid wooden tree. Let’s now check Strong’s, Thayer and Zodhiates to see what they have to say about the Greek word #1186: Strong’s Exhaustive Concordance Of The Bible: “#1186 ... dendron from drus (an oak); a tree: — tree.”
Thayer Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament, page 128: “#1186 ... to grow to the shape and size of a tree.”
The Complete Word Dictionary, New Testament by Spiros Zodhiates, TH.D.: “#1186 ... dendron ...neut. noun. A Tree ... ‘to become a tree’ (a.t.) means become like a tree in size (cf. Mark 4:32). ‘I see men as trees’ means not distinctly, in an unusual size.”
Question: When was the last time you saw a solid oak tree, just down the street, about 175 feet high with a trunk 5 feet in diameter, pull up its roots and start walking? It is obvious the Bible is using figurative language many times when it speaks of “trees.” Hence the answer to Lt. Col. Jack Mohr’s question on his thesis, Seed of Satan, Literal or Figurative? Lt. Col. Jack Mohr goofs again on page 5 of this booklet. Mohr argues thusly about the word “tree” in Genesis 3:17:
“While Eve had been warned by God not to eat of the ‘tree of knowledge of good and evil’, He has said nothing to her, which is recorded, about ‘touching it.’ (See Gen. 3:17). Eve was the one who added the ‘touching business’, when she talked with the serpent. Like so many of our people, she thought she had to add to the Word. The author [James E. Wise] then goes on to ‘surmise’, since he has no Scriptural proof, that the ‘trees’, in the Garden were not made up of ‘sap, bark, and foliage.’ In other words, these trees were not really trees, since trees cannot ‘discern between good and evil.’ Yet nothing written in this Scripture indicates that these ‘trees’, whatever they may have been, were supposed to do any discerning. The word TREE as used in this passage comes from the Hebrew word ‘ets’, 6095 and means ‘a tree for firmness; hence wood; gallows; helve; stock; timber; tree; wood.’ Absolutely no indication here that it refers to a ‘person’, or ‘being’ of any kind, such as a ‘serpent’ or ‘Satan.’ He goes on to compound his strange explanation by stating that these ‘trees’ were endowed with the gift of speech. Show me anywhere where the Scriptures so states.”
If Mohr is correct, then where Christ had referred to “every plant which My Heavenly Father hath not planted”, he must have been talking about literal plants. Perhaps he may blame poison ivy or certain types of noxious thistle on the devil. There are many other plant and tree metaphors in Scripture which really refer to races of people, which Mohr would have to explain away. His interpretations of Genesis 3 are childish. Continuing with Clifton:
What is noticeable here is that Mohr says the word for “trees”, in Genesis 3:17 is #6095. It is not, however, it is #6086. It is from #6095, but it is not #6095. The Hebrew word #6095 is atsah, not ets. Actually, what Mohr does here is to correctly apply ets, but then goes on to use Strong’s definition for atsah. Quite a deceptive maneuver, I would say. Anything to make his point! There can be quite a difference between #6086 and #6095. This is what Wilson’s Old Testament Word Studies has to say about the word “tree” on page 453 (In this case, the Hebrew characters are identical to Strong’s #6086):
“... a tree; often collective. trees: Gen. i. 11 &c. Figuratively, trees represent men, green trees the righteous, dry trees the wicked, Ezek xx. 47; xvii 24, all the trees of the field, all men, the high tree the lofty and powerful, the low tree the weak and contemptible ...”
From this definition by Wilson we can clearly see the Hebrew word #6086, ets, as used in Genesis 3:17 can be used both literally and figuratively. Mohr’s argument that it can only mean a literal “tree” is completely flawed. This goes for all the other anti-seedliners who use this point of contention to establish a false premise. When one considers how dangerous it is, to life and limb, to present the Two Seedline message, it is quite inconsiderate of the anti-seedliners to harass the messenger in his duty to his Maker and His Kingdom! By doing this, the anti-seedliners are actually aiding and abetting the enemy in this time of WAR. It’s tantamount to defecting over to the enemy’s side when millions of lives of our brethren are at stake. Such treason is more damaging, in effect, than the evil, Satanic enemy can bring about.
This is absolutely true, and Clifton is being kind where he says it is “quite inconsiderate” of them to do such a thing. The anti-seedliners, those allegedly Christian Identity pastors and teachers who deny the reality of race in Scripture, are indeed assisting Satan in the slaughter of our race. Among those still living are Ted Weiland, James Bruggeman, Stephen Jones, Dave Barley, and Richard Niemela, and in a more subtle way, Eli James and all those who follow him - those whom we refer to as the “85% club”. Identity Christians must forsake all of the charlatans who fall short of this gravely important truth.