Open Forum: Israel, Sin, the Law and Marriage Revisited
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Matthew Chapter 22 - Christogenea on Talkshoe 07-29-2011
Among the things which we spoke about last week, it was demonstrated from the parable of the vineyard workers, and from Leviticus, how hard it is for us to keep the letter of the law in this day and age. And while Yahweh's eternal morals are encoded into the laws found in Leviticus and Deuteronomy, as well as the entire Bible, we easily lose sight of several Biblical truths. First, the law was created for the benefit of man, and not man for the sake of the law. Second, the Levitical laws were specifically given along with a priesthood to enforce them, for the purposes of the Israelite kingdom and its function in relationship to Yahweh its God. When Israel was divorced from God for its constant unfaithfulness, the entire nation being under the law was liable to the judgement of the law, and therefore the entire nation was liable to death. Yahweh preserved the nation according to His law, as He promised, by dying on behalf of it, thereby freeing the nation from the law of its (or allegorically her) husband! That is what Paul explains in Romans chapter 7. Now we live not under the law, but under the favor – the grace – of our God. We are told that if we love Him, we keep His commandments. Those commandments are not found in the Letter of the hundreds of old laws. They are found in the ten commandments, which encapsulate the Spirit of the Hebrew law, along with the few things which the apostles clarified and the admonition to love our brethren. The law was our – the Israelite nation's – tutor for Christ, as Paul explains in Galatians chapter 4. The Hebrew laws are our ideal, but since none of us can live in this world and strictly keep them, we do not judge our brethren by them. This is proven over and again in Paul and the epistles from the other apostles and the Gospels.
This Open Forum began with a presentation of William Finck's November, 2009 article On Biblical Exegesis
Matthew Chapters 20 and 21 - 2011-07-22
There is one aspect of Matthew chapter 19, verses 27 and 28, which I did not discuss last week. That is where Peter says to Christ: “Look, we have left everything and have followed You! What then is there for us?” 28 And Yahshua said to them: “Truly I say to you that you are those who shall be following Me in the regeneration, when the Son of Man shall sit upon the throne of His honor, and you also shall sit upon twelve thrones judging the twelve tribes of Israel!” Note that there is never any mention in any of these eschatalogical sayings of Christ about “Israel and the beasts of the field” or “Israel and the Chinese” or “Israel and the Africans”. That is because it is simply not true, and whoever teaches such a thing deceives himself. Yahshua said in John chapter 3 that “unless a man should be born from above, he is not able to see the Kingdom of Yahweh.” Only the Adamic Man has that Spirit of Yahweh which makes him born from above, and in the image and likeness of God. In 1 John chapter 4 that same apostle tells us that we are born of God, as Adam our father also was, and the others are born of the world. We are from above, and all who are not of us are from below. Therefore none of the others shall ever see the Kingdom of Heaven when it is instituted on earth! How can one claim to be a Christian Israelite faithful in the Scriptures, and pronounce otherwise? He is a liar and a fraud!
See our essay Sin and the First Epistle of John for the original paper on this topic.
Matthew Chapters 18 and 19 - 2011-07-15
Last week we discussed once more the Canaanite woman and why Yahshua healed her daughter. Then we discussed the sign of Jonah, the leaven of the Pharisees, the apostles' belief that Yahshua was the Christ as well as the expectation of the coming of the Messiah which was prevalent in Judaea at that time. We also touched upon the phrase “the gates of Hades” and the belief in life after death as it was held by all branches of our race, evident again in the event known as the Transfiguration on the Mount. We also saw the non-scriptural belief of Herod and others in Judaea in reincarnation and we discussed what was meant by John the Baptist's having come in the “spirit of Elijah”. Then we discussed at length what Christ meant when He said that “If one desires to come behind Me, he must deny himself and take up his cross and follow Me!” We saw, as we presented for an example, how Germany's Christian government under Adolf Hitler actually built that precept into their political philosophy, that an individual should live for the sake of his nation, and devote his life to its well-being. If we all lived in such a manner, that we put the interests of our kinsmen ahead of our own, then we would have heaven indeed.
Very importantly, last week we also saw that the “restoration of all things” is in scripture the restoration of the children of Yahweh to the recognition of the covenants of their fathers, and in the context of Scripture it is nothing more than that. A lot of universalists in Christian identity somehow try to use this phrase, taken out of context, to promote their lies, but they cannot do so with any honesty and they may as well be Catholics. Christ said that the Elijah who is to come “shall restore all things” and when we read of the prophecy of him in Malachi, all we see is the restoration of Israel to their rightful place in the covenants and polity God.
Matthew Chapter 16 - 2011-07-08
Last week we talked about the Canaanite woman of Matthew chapter 15, which has long been a topic of controversy and a subject so often misinterpreted in Christian discourse. Here I have something further which I believe strengthens the arguments concerning the customs of the times and the traditional roles of the suppliant in relation to the man in authority. This is from the book, Clemency and Cruelty in the Roman World, by Melissa Barden Dowling, from the chapter entitled “Clemency and Cruelty Under the Julio-Claudians”, pages 169-170:
“Let them hate so long as they fear. Gaius Caligula’s policy toward those who offended him, and those who did not, was carried out in actions of open saevitia [brutality]. His use of fear as a tool of rulership, and his disinterest in even the appearance of mercy, stood in contrast to the averred principles of his predecessors and of most of his successors. For others, clementia [clemency] was the watchword, advertised by princeps. senators, and subjects alike. The reality of imperial crudelitas [cruelty] was inescapable, however, and the proclamations of imperial clemency were often loudest when an emperor's savagery was most sharply felt. Gaius departed from Augustus and Tiberius in discarding the careful assurances of clementia that softened their rule; Gaius's successors did not repeat his error. During the reigns of Claudius and Nero, the dialogue of clementia continued in both imperial and elite propaganda. In fact, the definition of clementia developed further under the Julio-Claudians, surpassing the scope it had held under Augustus.
“It was under Nero that the first philosophy of clemency was described by Seneca. As part of his theory of mercy, Seneca constructed a parallel philosophy of cruelty, outlining the degrees of irrationality that underlie cruel actions and highlighting the contrasting benefits of clemency. From Gaius’s naked crudelitas: to a sophisticated philosophy of clemency, in the ]ulio-Claudian Age Romans experimented with the vocabulary of power and ultimately created a stronger ethic of mercy to offset the power of the emperor. The normalization of imperial advertisements of the clementia principis and the creation of a philosophy of virtus [manly virtue] incorporating clementia as an expression of a good man's success were the outstanding developments of the ideology and social history of the Early Empire. These developments and the emergence of a parallel philosophy of cruelty, in which the degradation of a man’s nature was expressed through his crudelitas [cruelty], are the focus of this chapter.... “
Christogenea on Talkshoe – Matthew Chapters 14 and 15, July 1st, 2011
XIV 1 At that time Herodas the Tetrarch had heard the report of Yahshua, 2 and he said to his servants: “This is Iohannes the Baptist! He has risen from the dead and for this reason works of power operate in him!”
This is the first time we have seen the name Herod since chapter 2, but this is not the same Herod. There are ten different men named Herod, all of the same family of Edomites, identified in the index to Whiston's Works of Josephus. That first Herod, whom the jews like to call “the great”, is better known as the usurping murderer of the Hasamoneans and the son of the Edomite Antipater. He died just a short time after the birth of Christ, about 1 or 2 BC. He was succeeded by his son, Herod Archelaus, who was so cruel that after only a few years the Romans took the kingdom from him and exiled him to Vienna in Gaul. From that point on Judaea was split into four pieces, and rulers called tetrarchs were set over them, a tetrarch being a ruler of a fourth. Rather, this is Herod Antipas, another son of the first Herod, and he and his brother Philip each received a tetrarchy from Rome.
Herod Antipas was tetrarch over Galilee and Peraea (which was just east of the Jordan). Philip was tetrarch of Gaulanitis, Trachonitis and Panaea, which were all north of Peraea and east of the Sea of Galilee. Some time after Philip's death, another Herod, named Agrippa, was by the emperor Caligula made a king of this tetrarchy, since Philip had left no sons. Herod Agrippa was a grandson of the first Herod by Aristobulus, a son whom Herod had put to death. It is Herod the tetrarch, however, Philip's brother, the Herod who had his brother's wife, who is the Herod so prominent in the Gospels during the ministry of Christ. When John the Baptist upbraided Herod for taking Philip's wife as his own, Philip was still alive – for which see Josephus, Antiquities, 18.5.4. This Herod the tetrarch was later banished to Spain by Caligula (who was emperor from 37-41 AD), and his tetrarchy was added to the kingdom of Herod Agrippa (Josephus, Wars, 2.9.6). It is Herod Agrippa whose death is described later, in Acts chapter 12.
Matthew Chapter 13 - 2011-06-24
Discussing Matthew chapter 12 last week, I think the principle lesson was the difference between Christ's interpretation of the Law, and that of the Pharisees. The Pharisees would claim to uphold the minute letter of the law to the greatest extremes, and often to the detriment of the common people. The examples set by Christ show that we first must have care for the predicament and needs of our brethren when they are in distress, and then we care for the law. Our brethren are more important than the letter of the law. The law is our ideal, but since we all fail to live up to it, we are grateful to have mercy in Christ. We must treat our brethren with the same mercy which we ourselves expect from Him. Therefore Christ, quoting Hosea, exclaimed that “It is mercy I desire , and not sacrifice”. [I hope to treat of this topic at length, from Paul's epistles to the Romans and to the Galatians, at Christogenea.net on my Open Forum program on Monday.]
This leads to another point which we saw Yahshua make last week, and that is at Matthew 12:31 where He said that “For this reason I say to you, every error and blasphemy shall be remitted for men, but blasphemy of the Spirit shall not be remitted.“ Last week I said, and I will elaborate again here, that there are people who claim to be Christian Identists, who deny the words of Paul where he says that “all Israel shall be saved”, or of Isaiah where he wrote Yahweh's promise that “all the seed of Israel shall be justified, and shall glory”. These same Pharisees, while they want to throw their own Israelite brethren into the lake of fire, they themselves do such things as engage in usury, enrich themselves by trading jewish securities, sell snake oil or engage and enrich beasts in business. They are no better than Judaean Pharisees or Romish Catholics. They need to extract the beams from their own eyes. Here Christ says, and I will quote the King James Version, that “All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men.” Salvation is not for “good boys and girls”, but rather for the race of Israel only and entirely. That is the foundation of understanding the promises in Christ, because it is the express purpose behind His ministry and every promise of salvation made by God through the prophets. Yahweh promised to cleanse all of the sin of Israel, and makes no exception. Advocating integration and mingling of Israel with non-Israelites, one blasphemes the Holy Spirit. There is much more to the gospel, and to the responsibilities of the true Israel of God as a people, but we cannot proceed without first having a firm foundation in the racial covenants of our God. All Israel shall indeed be saved, whether the Pharisees and the Catholics like it or not. There shall indeed be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
Should men put their wives away sexually if they come to the realization that their marriage was wrongfully initiated according to the Old Covenant law? Well, contrary to the pharisaical opinions of some claiming to be Christian Identity, that is not the example set forth in Scripture.
Here is the podcast of the program criticizing our position, which instigated the reponse given here. It is from Dan Kersey's Truth or Consequences program on Talkshoe, this segment featuring Jeff Westover and Patricia Aiken (aka "mouthypatricia"): /system/files/resources/dankersey_2011-06-02.mp3
Matthew Chapter 12 - 2011-06-17
XII 1 At that time Yahshua had gone through the planted fields on the Sabbaths, and His students hungered and began to pluck and to eat the grain. 2 Then the Pharisees seeing it said to Him: “Look! Your students do that which is not lawful to do on a Sabbath!”
This account is paralleled in Mark 2 and Luke 6. The law which enabled the apostles to pick another's grain to feed themselves is found in Deuteronomy 23:24-25: “24 When thou comest into thy neighbour's vineyard, then thou mayest eat grapes thy fill at thine own pleasure; but thou shalt not put any in thy vessel. 25 When thou comest into the standing corn of thy neighbour, then thou mayest pluck the ears with thine hand; but thou shalt not move a sickle unto thy neighbour's standing corn.”
The law which the Pharisees accused them by must have simply been the law of the Sabbath found at Deuteronomy 5:14: “But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, nor thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thine ox, nor thine ass, nor any of thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates; that thy manservant and thy maidservant may rest as well as thou.”
With Clifton Emahiser - See Clifton's series on the topic at http://emahiser.christogenea.org. There were no real notes for this segment, however citations were taken from 2 Peter chapter 2, Jude, and the paper found here titled The Problem With Genesis 6:1-4
Here is one citation referenced for this program:
Dialogue of Justin, Philosopher and Martyr, with Trypho
Chapter IV.—The Soul of Itself Cannot See God.
“‘Is there then, ’says he, ‘such and so great power in our mind? Or can a man not perceive by sense sooner? Will the mind of man see God at any time, if it is uninstructed by the Holy Spirit? ’
“‘Plato indeed says, ’replied I, ‘that the mind’s eye is of such a nature, and has been given for this end, that we may see that very Being when the mind is pure itself, who is the cause of all discerned by the mind, having no colour, no form, no greatness—nothing, indeed, which the bodily eye looks upon; but It is something of this sort, he goes on to say, that is beyond all essence, unutterable and inexplicable, but alone honourable and good, coming suddenly into souls well-dispositioned, on account of their affinity to and desire of seeing Him.’
“‘What affinity, then, ’replied he, ‘is there between us and God? Is the soul also divine and immortal, and a part of that very regal mind? And even as that sees God, so also is it attainable by us to conceive of the Deity in our mind, and thence to become happy? ’
“‘Assuredly, ’I said.
“‘And do all the souls of all living beings comprehend Him? ’he asked; ‘or are the souls of men of one kind and the souls of horses and of asses of another kind? ’
Matthew Chapters 10 and 11 - 2011-06-03
[Scriptures for Charles Giuliani, who was the subject of the pre-program discussion:]
Hebrews 3:12 Take heed, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief, in departing from the living God.
Proverbs 14:12 There is a way which seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death.
Last week discussing Matthew chapter 8 where Christ is recorded as having said “11 I say to you that many shall come from east and west and they shall recline with Abraham and Isaak and Jakob in the kingdom of the heavens, 12 but the sons of the kingdom shall be cast out into the outermost darkness. And there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth!” I first quoted Psalm 107 verses 1-3, which I will read again here: “1 O give thanks unto the LORD, for he is good: for his mercy endureth for ever. 2 Let the redeemed of the LORD say so, whom he hath redeemed from the hand of the enemy; 3 And gathered them out of the lands, from the east, and from the west, from the north, and from the south.” As we see in Luke, at 1:71, part of the purpose of Christ was to bring us “preservation from our enemies and from the hand of all those who hate us”, just as we see it professed in Psalm 107. I also quoted Psalm 112: “10 The wicked shall see it, and be grieved; he shall gnash with his teeth, and melt away: the desire of the wicked shall perish.” We need to be bought back from the enemy, because it is clearly evident that in our sin, they rule over us! It is they who shall be gnashing their teeth. Therefore I remarked last week that “the 'sons of the kingdom' are those who pretend to have the law and the prophets, those in the seats of authority in Jerusalem, but they are not necessarily Israelites. Actually, many of them are not Israelites, they are usurpers. And that is why they would be put out. This passage should be cross-referenced to Revelation 2:9 and 3:9, which describe those who claim to be Judaeans, but are not, they are of the assembly of the adversary.”
On Wednesday June 1st at 8:00 AM William Finck was a guest on Truth Hertz Radio with Charles Giuliani. Here is the podcast.
After program thought, which I did not have time to address: Attempting to bring other races into our White culture and belief system is exactly what caused the downfall of Egypt, Babylon, Parthia and Rome. It is exactly the reason why the West is in such a state of turmoil and decay today, and it is and has been the plan of Satan (the jews) all along to get us to do that very thing!
Yes, Charles, Truth does hurt - and you don't even realize how badly.
Note, June 24th, 2011: It has been well-reported to us that for several days on his program after this interview, that Giuliani whined and raged about our positions. Yet he could not counter them in an honest discussion. Now we hear that he is still whining and raging. We must have really gotten under his skin. His true agenda is not conservative at all. The race-mixing agenda which he promotes is indeed the same agenda of the jews whom he claims to despise!
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To the dishonest injun caller: You obviously hate White men. Forget about the White man's God, and stop using the White man's inventions. Go sit in the desert butt-naked, and wait for your own god to save you. Simply using a telephone, you prove your hypocrisy.
It should be noted, that Giuliani promised me he would not take callers before I agreed to this program, and he lied, allowing this dishonest injun. Giuliani also asked me many questions during intermissions, which I answered, and then he avoided most of those subjects when we came back on the air!
Matthew Chapters 8 and 9 - 2011-05-27
Over the past few weeks while discussing Matthew chapters 5, 6 and 7 we continued to see many of the clear connections between the Old Testament and the New, that they truly are but one book containing the same teachings, for the same children of Israel. We especially saw that Yahshua Christ in His Sermon on the Mount was teaching many of those same precepts found in the ancient Hebrew literature, for the most part in the Psalms and in the Wisdom of Sirach. Yet this does not lessen the importance of the mission of Christ one iota. Rather, it magnifies it all the more, once one understands that this is the same God, talking to the same people that He had once spoken to through the Old Testament prophets and the Law of Moses. We saw that the Sermon on the Mount was meant for Israelites only. The word neighbor in in the phrase in Leviticus 19:18 which says love thy neighbor in Hebrew is ultimately derived from a verb which means to graze together, and therefore can only refer to the sheep. The Greek word for neighbor does not mean to refer to geographical proximity, for there are other more specific words for that. Rather it simply denotes one who is near to a person. With all of the other injunctions found in the law, it too can only refer to one of the sheep, and not to a wolf who has moved in nearby. This meaning is magnified where Yahshua tells His followers not to share their pearls or that which is holy with dogs and swine. That this entire message is therefore exclusive – in the racial sense, there should be no doubt.
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