The Two Natures of Adamic Man - Christogenea Forum Call 03-28-11


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Ephesians 2:1 And you, being dead in transgressions and in your errors 2 in which you had at one time walked, in accordance with the age of this Society, in accordance with the ruler of the office of the air, the spirit that is now operating within the sons of disobedience, [The sons of disobedience still have and will always have this spirit operating within them – it is them! When we follow their ways, we operate in accordance with it, but we do not have it within us – there is a big difference!] 3 among whom we also had all at one time conducted ourselves, in the desires of our flesh, acting out the wills of the flesh and of the thoughts, and we were by nature [Not by race, but because we followed our fleshly nature – we being children of God have two natures! Our nature never changes, so long as we keep the law of Kind after Kind. At 1 John 3:9 the apostle says “Each who has been born from of Yahweh does not create wrongdoing, because His seed abides in him, and he is not able to do wrong, because from of Yahweh he has been born.” Yet we are found following after wrongdoing when we follow after the flesh.] children of wrath, even like the others. [Even like the children of this world.] 4 But Yahweh, being rich in compassion, because of that great love of His with which He has loved us, 5 and we being dead in transgressions, are made alive with the Anointed (in favor are you being preserved), 6 and are raised together and are seated together in the heavenly places with Christ Yahshua, 7 in order that He would exhibit in the coming ages the surpassing riches of His favor in kindness to us among the number of Christ Yahshua. 8 For in favor you are being preserved through faith and this, Yahweh’s gift, is not of yourselves, 9 not from works, lest anyone would boast, 10 for His work we are, having been established among the number of Christ Yahshua for good works, which Yahweh before prepared in order that we would walk in them.


Galatians 5:16 Now I say, you must walk in the Spirit, and desire of the flesh you should not at all fulfill. 17 The flesh desires against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh; indeed these are in opposition to one another, in which case you should not do these things that you desire. 18 But if you are led by the Spirit, you are under no law. [The Children of God have a dual nature, Spirit and Flesh – we are born of the water and of the blood. See John 3:5-8.] 19 Manifest are the deeds of the flesh, such things are fornication, uncleanness, licentiousness, 20 idolatry, use of drugs, hostilities, contention, rivalry, wrath, intrigues, dissensions, sects, 21 envyings, drunkenness, revelries, and things like these; which I have announced to you beforehand, just as I have said before, that they who practice such things shall not inherit Yahweh’s kingdom. 22 Now the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faith, 23 gentleness, self-control: there is no law against such things. 24 But they of the Anointed crucify the flesh along with those affections and those desires. 25 If we live in the Spirit, in the Spirit we also should walk. 26 We should not become conceited, provoking one another, envying one another.


John 3:5 Yahshua replied: “Truly, truly I say to you, if one should not be born from water and Spirit, he is not able to enter into the Kingdom of Yahweh! 6 That which is born from of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born from of the Spirit is Spirit. 7 You should not wonder that I said to you that it is necessary for you to be born from above. 8 The wind blows where it wishes and you hear its sound, but you do not know from where it comes and where it goes. Thusly are all who are born from of the Spirit.” [Such are the two natures of Adamic man!]


1 Corinthians 2:6 Now we speak wisdom among the accomplished; but wisdom not of this age, nor of those governing this age, who are being done away with. 7 Rather we speak wisdom of Yahweh, that had been hidden in a mystery, which Yahweh had predetermined before the ages for our honor, 8 which not one of the governors of this age has known, (since if they had known, they would not have crucified the Authority of that honor,) 9 but just as it is written, “Things which eye did not see, and ear did not hear, and came not into the heart of man, those things Yahweh has prepared for them that love Him,” 10 yet to us Yahweh reveals them through the Spirit; for the Spirit inquires of all things, even the depths of Yahweh. 11 Indeed of men who knows the things of mankind, except the spirit of man which is within him? Even so no one knows the things of Yahweh, except the Spirit of Yahweh. 12 Now we do not receive the spirit of the Society [or the “world”], but that spirit from Yahweh [we are born from above], in which case we should know the things granted to us by Yahweh; 13 which also we speak of, not instructed in words of human wisdom, but instructed in of the Spirit, by the spiritual compounding with the spiritual. 14 Now the natural man does not accept that of the Spirit of Yahweh, for it is folly to him, and he is not able to know because it is inquired of spiritually; 15 but the spiritual inquires into all things, and it by no one is examined. 16 "For who has known the mind of Yahweh? Who will instruct Him?” But we have the perception of Christ [or of the Anointed].


The “natural man” is the fleshly man, which all Adamites are. This is the “nature” of Ephesians 2:3. But Adamic man has the Spirit of Yahweh, which sets him apart from the “sons of disobedience.


1 Corinthians 3:1 And I, brethren, have not been able to speak to you concerning the spiritual, but concerning the fleshly; like infants in Christ. 2 I have given you milk to drink, not food; indeed you were not able, but still now you are not able; 3 for you are still fleshly. [Adamites have a choice, walk in accordance with the flesh, or walk in accordance with the Spirit. The other races do not have that choice, because they do not have that Spirit!]


1 Corinthians 8:1 Now then, there is no condemnation to those among the number of Christ Yahshua. [All Israel shall be saved – Yahshua came for them!] 2 Indeed the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Yahshua has liberated you from the law of guilt and death. 3 The law is powerless, in that it has been weak over the flesh, Yahweh sending His own Son in the likeness of errant flesh, and amidst guilt, condemned guilt in the flesh, 4 that the judgment of the law should be fulfilled among us, who walk not in accordance with the flesh, but in accordance with the Spirit. 5 For they who are in accordance with the flesh, strive after the things of the flesh; and they who are in accordance with the Spirit, the things of the Spirit. 6 Indeed the purpose of the flesh is death, but the purpose of the Spirit, life and peace. [Without the Spirit there is no true Life. That is why the infiltrators are called by Jude “twice dead”.] 7 Because the purpose of the flesh is hostile to Yahweh, then to the law of Yahweh it is not obedient; neither is it able to be; 8 and they that are in the flesh are not able to satisfy Yahweh. 9 However you are not in the flesh, but in Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of Yahweh dwells in you; and if one has not the Spirit of Christ, he is not of Him: [If one is not a son of Adam, one has not the Spirit of Christ! See 1 John 4:4 below.] 10 but if Christ is in you, indeed the body is dead because of fault, but the Spirit alive because of righteousness. 11 Moreover, if the Spirit of He who raised Yahshua from the dead dwells in you [if you are a born-from-above Adamite], He who raises the Anointed from the dead will also produce alive your mortal bodies through His Spirit that dwells in you. [Resurrection is through the Spirit – no Spirit, no resurrection!] 12 So then, brethren, we are obligated not to the flesh, to live in accordance with the flesh; 13 for if in accordance with the flesh you live, you are about to die; but if by the Spirit you put to death the deeds of the body, you will live. [We will have life here on earth if the Spirit is in control of the vessel which bears it.] 14 Indeed as many as are led by the Spirit of Yahweh, these are sons of Yahweh [because they have accepted that position of sons offered to them through obedience to God.]. 15 Therefore you have not taken on a spirit of bondage anew to fear, but you have taken on a spirit of the position of sons, in which we cry: Father, Father. 16 That same Spirit bears witness with our Spirit, that we are children of Yahweh. 17 And if children, then heirs: heirs indeed of Yahweh, and joint heirs of Christ; if indeed we suffer together, that also we will be honored together.

Jude 1:6 And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day. [Upon which they shall all go into the Lake of Fire.] 7 Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire. 8 Likewise also these filthy dreamers defile the flesh, despise dominion, and speak evil of dignities. 9 Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee.10 But these speak evil of those things which they know not: but what they know naturally, as brute beasts, in those things they corrupt themselves. 11 Woe unto them! for they have gone in the way of Cain, and ran greedily after the error of Balaam for reward, and perished in the gainsaying of Core. 12 These are spots in your feasts of charity, when they feast with you, feeding themselves without fear: clouds they are without water, carried about of winds; trees whose fruit withereth, without fruit, twice dead, plucked up by the roots; 13 Raging waves of the sea, foaming out their own shame; wandering stars, to whom is reserved the blackness of darkness for ever. [The spots in our feasts of charity cannot ever be Christians, and while they “look white” they are actually of the seed of Cain – they have not the Spirit of Yahweh. For that reason they are “twice dead” in the first place. This is why Christ told certain of the Pharisees that “you are like whitewashed tombs, which indeed appear beautiful outside, but inside are full of the bones of corpses and all uncleanness!”]


1 Corinthians 15:35 But some will say, ‘How are the dead raised?’ and ‘With what sort of body will they come?’ 36 Foolish! That which you sow, is it not made alive even if it may die? 37 And that which you sow, it is not the body that you sow that will be producing itself, but a bare grain, whether for example of wheat or of any of the rest; 38 And Yahweh gives to it a body just as He has willed, and to each one of those seeds its own body. 39 Not all flesh is the same flesh, but one flesh of man, and another flesh of beasts, and another of birds, and another of fish. 40 And bodies in heaven, and bodies on earth: but different is the effulgence of the heavenly, and different is that of the earthly: 41 one effulgence of the sun, and another effulgence of the moon, and another effulgence of the stars; a star differs in effulgence from stars. 42 In this way also is the restoration of the dead. It is sown is decay, it is raised in incorruption. 43 It is sown in dishonor, it is raised in honor. It is sown in weakness, it is raised in power. 44 It is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body; if there is a natural body, there is also a spiritual. [If there is a natural Adamic body, then that man has the Spirit of Yahweh in him. That is what it means to be in the image of God.] 45 And just as it is written, “The first man Adam came into a living soul,” the last Adam into a life producing Spirit. [The Genesis Adam and Yahshua Christ were the only two men directly born of God, therefore they are the first and last Adams. The rest of us are merely descendants of the first Adam.] 46 But the spiritual was not first; rather the natural, then the spiritual: 47 the first man from out of earth, of soil; the second man from out of heaven. 48 As he of soil, such as those also who are of soil; and as He in heaven, such as those also who are in heaven. [Adam was made from the dust of the earth, and received the Spirit from God Himself.] 49 And just as we have borne the likeness of that of soil, we shall also bear the likeness of that of heaven. [So long as we have that Spirit!] 50 But this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood are not be able to inherit the kingdom of Yahweh, nor does decay inherit incorruption. 51 Behold I tell you a mystery, we shall not all fall asleep, but we shall all be changed. 52 In an instant, in a dart of an eye, with the last trumpet; for it shall sound and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. 53 This decay wants to be clothed in incorruptibility, and this mortal to be clothed in immortality. 54 And when this decay shall have put on incorruptibility, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then the word that has been written shall come to pass: “Death has been swallowed in victory.” 55 “Death, where is your victory? Death, where is your sting?” 56 Now the sting of death is guilt, and the power of guilt is the law; 57 but gratitude is to Yahweh, in whom we are being given the victory through our Prince, Yahshua Christ. 58 Therefore, my beloved brethren, you become steadfast, immovable, at all times being abundant in the work of the Prince, knowing that your toil is not empty with the Prince. [If Death and Hades go into the Lake of Fire never to be seen again, so it is with all of the people in the world who are not written in the Book of Life.]


Clement of Alexandria, Elucidations, Book II, from Chapter XX.—The True Gnostic Exercises Patience and Self-Restraint.


Such also are those (who say that they follow Nicolaus, quoting an adage of the man, which they pervert, 247 “that the flesh must be abused.” But the worthy man showed that it was necessary to check pleasures and lusts, and by such training to waste away the impulses and propensities of the flesh. But they, abandoning themselves to pleasure like goats, as if insulting the body, lead a life of self-indulgence; not knowing that the body is wasted, being by nature subject to dissolution; while their soul is buffed in the mire of vice; following as they do the teaching of pleasure itself, not of the apostolic man. For in what do they differ from Sardanapalus, whose life is shown in the epigram:—

“I have what I ate—what I enjoyed wantonly;

And the pleasures I felt in love. But those

Many objects of happiness are left,

For I too am dust, who ruled great Ninus.”


Roberts, A. 1997. The Ante-Nicene Fathers Vol. II : Translations of the writings of the Fathers down to A.D. 325. Fathers of the second century: Hermas, Tatian, Athenagoras, Theophilus, and Clement of Alexandria (Entire) (ECF 1.2.5.3.2.20). Logos Research Systems: Oak Harbor


2 Peter I 1 Sumeon Petros servant and ambassador of Yahshua Christ, to those who have obtained by fate with us an equally valued faith in the righteousness of our God and Savior Yahshua Christ, 2 favor to you and peace be multiplied in the knowledge of our God and Prince Yahshua, 3 as His divine power has given to us all things which are for life and piety through the knowledge of He who has called us into His own honor and virtue, 4 by which He has given to us precious and very great promises, in order that through these you would be partakers of the divine nature, fleeing from the corruption in Society in lust. [Peter taught the same exact things as Paul did, although he was not so lengthy in his analogies.] 5 And for this same thing also besides applying all earnestness you provide virtue in addition to your faith, and with the virtue knowledge, 6 and with the knowledge self-control, and with the self-control endurance, and with the endurance piety, 7 and with the piety brotherly love, and with the brotherly love charity. 8 For these things belonging to you and abounding are set down for the knowledge of our Prince Yahshua Christ neither to be idle nor fruitless. 9 Indeed in he whom these things are not present, he is blind, being short-sighted, possessing a forgetfulness of the cleansing of his old errors. 10 On which account still more, brethren, you be earnest to make your calling and election firm. For doing these things you shall by no means fail at any time. 11 For thusly shall there be richly provided to you an entrance into the eternal kingdom of our Prince and Savior Yahshua Christ.


2 Peter 2:4 For if Yahweh did not spare the messengers who had done wrong but having cast them into Tartaros into a pit of darkness He had delivered them being kept for judgment, 5 and He did not spare of the old society but He had kept Noah, the eighth proclaimer of righteousness, having brought a deluge upon the society of the impious, 6 and the cities of Sodom and Gomorra burning to ashes He had condemned to destruction, having been set forth for an example of those who are going to be impious, 7 and He delivered the righteous Lot who had been oppressed by the licentious conduct of the lawless 8 (for with sights and reports the righteous one dwelling among them day by day tormented a righteous soul with their lawless deeds), 9 the Prince knows to deliver the pious from trial, but to keep the unrighteous being punished for a day of judgment – 10 and especially those going after the flesh with desires of defilement and despising authority, presumptuous adventurers, not fearing honor they blaspheme, 11 where the messengers being greater in power and ability do not bring against them a judgment for blasphemy as appropriate. [Those who do not have the Spirit shall all go into the Lake of Fire in the end. There is no true life without the Spirit, and this life which we have now is temporary.]


2 Peter 2:12 But these, having been born as natural irrational animals into destruction and corruption in which blaspheming they are ignorant in their corruption they also shall perish, doing injustice for the wages of injustice, regarding luxury a pleasure by day, stains and disgraces reveling in their deceits feasting together with you, [The same people whom Jude talked about, those who are “twice dead”, and Jude also called them “brute beasts”. Those without the Spirit of Yahweh are nothing but “brute beasts made to be taken and destroyed”, as the King James Version puts it here in Peter. The Lake of Fire is not a town in Mexico, or in China.] 14 having eyes full of adultery and unable to cease from wrongdoing, enticing unstable souls, having hearts exercised for greediness, cursed children, [The children of Cain, Canaan and Esau were cursed.] 15 abandoning the straight road they have wandered astray, following in the way of Balaam the son of Bosor, who had loved the wage of unrighteousness, [race-mixed people – such as Whites who are ten or fifteen percent jewish, as a certain joker recently put it] 16 but he had a rebuke for his own transgression: a dumb beast of burden with the voice of a man having spoken clearly had curbed the derangement of the prophet. 17 These are streams without water [broken cisterns] and clouds being driven by a tempest, for whom the gloom of darkness is kept. [These are the “sons of disobedience” of Ephesians 2: we can follow after them, but they can never follow us!] 18 For uttering excessive vanity they entice with the licentious desires of the flesh those nearly escaping who are returning to error. 19 Proclaiming for themselves freedom they become slaves of corruption. For by that which one is overcome, to this he is enslaved. 20 For if escaping the pollutions of Society by the knowledge of our Prince and Savior Yahshua Christ, and these being entangled again are overcome, the ends of them become worse than the beginnings! 21 For it was better for them not having known the way of righteousness than they know turning away from the holy commandment having been delivered to them. 22 But the truth of the proverb happened to them: “A dog returns to its own vomit”, and “a sow being cleansed to rolling in mud”. [The tree is known by its fruit – some of us, appearing to be the Children of God, prove that we are really dogs or swine by hearing the truth of the Word and yet returning to error.]


1 John 4:1 Beloved, do not have trust in every spirit, but scrutinize whether the spirits are from of Yahweh, because many false prophets have gone out into Society. 2 By this you know the Spirit of Yahweh: each spirit which professes that Yahshua Christ has come in the flesh is from of Yahweh, 3 and each spirit which does not profess Yahshua is not from of Yahweh, and this is the Antichrist, whom you have heard that it comes, and is already now in Society. [There are people whose origin is with God, and people whose origin is with Society. The first group are the children of Adam. The second group are the goats, the bastards, the children who are born from the fruits of the Way of Cain and the Error of Balaam.]


1 John 4:4 You are from of Yahweh, children, and you have prevailed over them [the sons of disobedience, not merely the flesh, but them], because He who is in you is greater than he who is in Society. 5 They are from of Society: for this reason from of Society they speak and Society hears them. 6 We are from of Yahweh: he knowing Yahweh hears us. He who is not from of Yahweh does not hear us. From this we know the Spirit of truth and the spirit of deception. Beloved, we should love one another, because love is from of Yahweh, and each who loves has been born from of Yahweh and knows Yahweh. [The goat nations of Matthew chapter 25 are condemned because they did not love the Children of God – the Adamic nations of the world. Most men miss that part of the parable.] 8 He not loving does not know Yahweh, because Yahweh is love. 9 By this the love of Yahweh is manifest in us, because Yahweh sent His best-loved Son into Society in order that we may live through Him. 10 In this is love: not that we loved Yahweh but that He has loved us and has sent His Son, a propitiation for our errors.


1 John 3:7 Children, let no one deceive you, he who is bringing about justice is just, even as He is just. 8 He who is creating error is from of the False Accuser, since the False Accuser errs from the beginning. For this the Son of Yahweh has been made manifest, in order that He would do away with the works of the False accuser. 9 Each who has been born from of Yahweh does not create wrongdoing, because His seed abides in him, and he is not able to do wrong, because from of Yahweh he has been born. 10 By this are manifest the children of Yahweh and the children of the False Accuser. All who are not bringing about justice are not from of Yahweh, and he not loving his brother, 11 because this is the message which you have heard from the beginning, that we should love one another. 12 Not as Kain who was from of the Wicked One and slaughtered his brother; and with delight he slaughtered him, because his deeds were evil, but those of his brother righteous.